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Greetings Frontier Man!

The Mandate of Heaven, to govern the people through the highest spiritual, moral, and ethical concepts... how similar it is to the true Republic! Because all correct forms of government come from the same source, throughout the Earth and on other planets and worlds: 上帝, The One God, the Only Luminous One, the Lord of All Worlds.

Because modern history, intentionally distorted, hides the truths that would make for the best understanding, nothing is understood, and at most, one perceives an essence, an origin, a sun that illuminates everything, but it is perceived as very faint, dull, unreal. And some, like you, dear friend, grasp part of that essence and understand, albeit in a very limited way, great things that amaze the mind.

Let's see: In Chinese traditions, it has always been said that the Chinese people came from heaven, and this reflects events that occurred thousands of years ago—many, many years ago. In that part of the Earth, a civilization developed more than 50,000 years ago that was the origin of everything we know today as Chinese culture, its traditions, legends, and mythologies. After that first civilization disappeared, many millennia passed until, around 7,000 years ago, some of the splendor it had previously achieved re-emerged naturally, although not in its full magnitude, as, for example, all the great scientific and technical advances that characterized that first civilization in what is now China had been lost.

Emperor Qui Shin Huangdi played a significant role in this resurgence, as he rebuilt the original wall that had been built thousands of years ago. This wall was intended for defensive purposes, as barbarian and savage peoples lurked and relentless in their attempts to invade, plunder, and conquer. In the end, the emperor achieved a great and definitive victory over the barbarians. To commemorate and honor this great feat, which freed all of China from such a tremendous threat, an exact replica of the participants in that last great battle was made, complete with their equipment and even chariots. This is a kind of commemorative monument that is what is known today as "The Terracotta Army." It was an honorary recognition and reminder of such an important victory. Emperor Qui Sui Huangdi united the various kingdoms of China, which joined the cause of unifying China under the same principles and government.

He ruled wisely and honorably, performing great works of good and progress, but in the end, like many who come to enlighten humanity, he was assassinated along with his entire family, his associates, and his servants, a matter that was kept a closely guarded secret.

History has greatly vilified this emperor, who, after Princes Huanlei and Upasika, was surely the greatest ruler China has ever had.

The mandate of heaven is the concept that the ruler must be a representative of God for his people, the great leader who, through his will, wisdom, and love, can and knows how to lead human beings to the highest peaks of advancement and progress. It is almost the same concept as the Republic, where the leader feels responsible before God for the good governance of the people, feeling sent to perform such a high and delicate task.

The leader is the most evolved among them, therefore, he can well fulfill his mission.

All this was later distorted, and the selfish evildoers who did not love God claimed to govern in his name, and so many atrocities were committed in the name of kings in Europe, because they had the perfect divine excuse for their abuses and vileness. The degeneration of the original, authentic, true.

Lao Tzu, Confucius, also came to enlighten the Chinese people, as there have always been great men and women everywhere on Earth who have come to teach, guide, direct, and orient, as in the case of Master Confucius. Many of whose teachings were directed precisely at the most perfect governance possible. That's why he said, among other things, "The ruler elevates the office, not the office the ruler." This means that the ruler should perform his task to the best of his ability, elevating it, dignifying it, and honoring it, but should not exalt himself, feel superior, acquire privileges and perks, impose his negative will, or enrich himself at the expense of his office. Oh, if only all presidents and rulers would follow this good and prudent advice from Master Confucius!

More recently, the ruthless Mao Zedong, representative of darkness, imposed a horrible yoke on the Chinese people, killing millions for a perverse ideology, a justification for his crimes motivated by his lust for power. The communist system he copied, with its application differences, from the murderer Stalin, another dark being who brought so much misery to the Russian people. Same dog, different collar.

The genuine Chinese traditions and all their wisdom? The wonderful legacy of Chinese history? Erased, eliminated, destroyed by Mao and his "cultural revolution," which was truly the destruction of everything genuine, beneficial, and elevated in Chinese culture and thought. Because to tyrannize the people of China, it was necessary to erase their past and hide everything, to impose a system of government in which a few, those from the party, of course, manipulate the rest like modern feudal lords, preventing the Chinese people from expressing their true nature and qualities.

If one reads the Chinese constitution, one is astonished because they impose an evil system on the people and don't even explain where it comes from, why it is done, or what the so-called "communism" is, now replaced, due to its failure, by "socialism." But it's the same thing.

They want to build an empire, and they are already doing so, but that empire would dominate by means other than military means, until the military developed sufficiently to be able to impose itself. All empires are the same, dark creations whose intention is to dominate, enslave, and tyrannize as many peoples and nations as they can swallow.

China must rise from its ashes, like the Phoenix, so that all the good, beautiful, and wonderful that its people treasure may reemerge. When it frees itself from the current system of government, that could be, but for now, its leaders want to hear nothing about 上帝 Shangdi, about God, or about any heavenly mandate.

In fact, they attack and persecute the spiritual because it would liberate people, thus plunging them into that excessive materialism where all happiness is based on material well-being and superfluous things, where people have neither the time nor the motivation to think about or seek the higher, the lofty, the divine, because, according to communism and socialism, 上帝 Shangdi, God... does not exist.

No matter, it is decreed that the goodness and beauty of times past will re-emerge throughout the Earth, but better, because projected into the future they will be grander and more enormous. After the current storm, that may be, but before that, such a shock will come that no one will be able to doubt 上帝God or the truth of life.

Honor and glory to the Chinese people, free from all chains!!

Love from Spain

PD:I've tried to write to you on sonar21, but it hasn't been possible. I don't know if it's censorship or a technical problem, but it doesn't surprise me. In Spain, I've been censored, blocked, and deleted constantly for years.

Is it because I say things that are so unconventional? Am I such a terrible commentator, or is it that people just don't care about opinions like mine being spread? Well, we'll see what happens in the end with s21...

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The Frontier Man's avatar

Thank you for your kind words and thoughtful comments 🙏

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Nakayama's avatar

I respectfully disagree. What you have described is sort of the "theoretical value" of this term. In practice, it had been very very different. Just the same as the Western proverb "It is the winners who write history", so were the winners in the power struggle to claim such "Mandate of Heaven". For example, by the end of the Yuan Dynasty (Mongols) there were multic factions of ethnic Hans fighting against one another. All of them claimed emperor-ship, the mandates, and the subordination of the other factions. Eventually, it was the battleground decisions. Citing "Mandate of Heaven" this way is next to meaningless. Such a saying can have some persuasion power because China's population had been too accustomed to the rule of of a single Dynasty. "Multipolar world" in Chinese history were treated as the exception, rather than the norm. This thing cannot be said to be part of the Chinese Political Philosophy. It is kind of like an insult. Spend more time reading Confucius work, including the books he calibrated, will bring you more clarity. Please don't go down the route of fortune-tellers.

What Confucius said about similar subjects, as well as those cited in the ancient books calibrated by Confucius do frequently make references to "Heaven" or 天. But a book before Confucius time already said "Heaven hears through what the ordinary people hear, and Heaven sees through what the ordinary people see." God's will, or Mandate of Heaven, was framed to be a benevolent and genuine concerns for the welfare of the ordinary people. Yes, this part can be considered as Chinese political philosophy. In modern words, the Chinese classical political philosophy does have a socialism tilt. The difference is Chinese don't quite care whether it is an emperor, a party, or a republic. It is the results of the public policies and administration that make the difference, not the so-called election. Chinese concepts of God is much closer to Pagan and multi-deity rather than a single see-all know-all God. Chinese have slangs to say that Tian (天 ) has his eyes closed (blind to disasters and suffering in human world) so please do not blend Christian concept into Chinese viewpoints.

One bad thing, although not the worst, that can happen in Western democracy is some people can write a book titled "The Son Chosen by God" and some people will even believe that. I vote for Trump based on my reasoning, but my reasons have absolutely no connection to any God.

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Hablando Limpio's avatar

Greetings

The winners in that power struggle you speak of would no longer have any mandate from heaven, since in that struggle for power itself, no mandate from heaven is despised and ignored, only the mandate of men thirsty for power and riches. You're confusing two terms: the good government of God's Love and the government of human selfishness and ambition. You lump them together as if they were the same thing, but they have nothing to do with each other.

You mention the Mongols, but do you know why China and much of Asia were invaded and dominated by the Mongols? Look, my friend, when laws (divine laws, not human laws) are transgressed, great disasters ensue. People had fallen asleep in the ease of life, comfort, and stagnation, scorning all genuine teachings, and as a consequence, by the law of cause and effect, they suffered barbaric invaders who invaded everything, because whoever despises the light only experiences darkness. So, the Mongols, in general, didn't want to have anything to do with any mandate from heaven, except to twist everything and adjust it to their own interests.

But of course, I can always invent a wrathful, vengeful, and terrible God, like the one the Jews invented, to justify all the abuses. Who is the Mongol God? Do you know, dear friend?

You quote Confucius: "Heaven hears through what the common people hear, and Heaven sees through what the common people see." But did you know that in Spanish there's a saying that goes "The voice of the people is the voice of God"? How curious that cultures located thousands of kilometers from each other, situated on two sides of the planet, say almost the same thing in their wisdom!

As has already been said, the One God is the same God of all the peoples of the Earth and all human beings, so the true concepts all coincide in one great truth: the fatherhood of God and, consequently, the brotherhood of all human beings.

But since everything has been intentionally distorted, now we must unravel the mystery and banish the lies and additions so that everything returns to its original purity.

No, authentic Chinese concepts refer to a single source, origin, central core, radiant sun, which is the One God. However, subsequent distortions degenerated everything. It was something similar to the Greek concepts of Zeus (similar to the Jade Emperor, China's Chief God) and the various gods. It is a distortion of the original. The correct symbolism is that there is always one Chief God and other various gods, but this reflects another great truth: the existence not only of God but of very high beings at different evolutionary stages, which humans have called "gods" due to their abilities and powers.

It is similar to the dragon, an animal that truly existed and became extinct, but nothing about it resembled a lizard or snake, despite the fact that dragons are depicted everywhere in Chinese culture as "lizards or snakes," when in reality they were not, nor did they have that appearance. Time and malicious intent distort everything.

To keep this short, I'll also tell you that the image of an absent, indifferent God, oblivious to human suffering and problems, is another horrendous distortion of the truth. It endows God with attributes that He neither has nor possesses, because God is Love, and love is never indifferent, passive, or alien to any living creature. On the contrary, it always envelops them in its warm embrace to strengthen and guide them.

It happens that human beings turn their backs on that love. Then, a time comes when, having rejected it, human beings lack it until they once again become in tune and attune to the truth of life, which is love. But God is never indifferent or alien to us, because there are legions of beings dedicated to helping human beings. This is reflected in all traditions, including the Chinese: angels, guardian spirits, beings of light, archangels, etc.

One of the biggest mistakes is to present God as He is not, especially with human attributes such as anger, rage, indifference, contempt, punishment, submission, etc. Since the One God is of no use to them for their evil purposes, they must always invent lies about the nature of God, thus creating these lying monstrosities, these false gods, to turn people away from Him.

Do what you want, but I advise you to take God into account in everything, after having properly understood Him, because even when choosing this or that candidate or for anything in life, without the Light of God we are in the dark, and very terrible things can happen when one is blind and unwilling to see or hear.

If you make decisions in your life without taking God, Truth, and Love into account, don't complain about the consequences afterwards. That is to say, don't complain if Trump brings the world to the brink of nuclear war and self-destruction, because the blind leading the blind, both will fall into the abyss.

By the way, did you know that you can use your reasoning to, united with God, make better decisions about many things in your life? Did you know that God gave us reasoning and logic to move forward? The voice of the heart, where God dwells, is always expressing itself; now it's up to us to want to hear it and heed it.

A warm greeting, friend

Love from Spain

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No, please don't mix the concept of Tian with the Christian concept of heaven and God. What you have said is very alien to my understanding of Chinese History. Not only I did well in schools, but also I read also many classic work on Chinese History. The way you described "Heaven's mandate" is really much more aligned with conspirators like 王莽 at the end of the West-Han Dynasty. However, your interpretation is very suitable for mainland China. Maybe you should give a tour there.

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Hablando Limpio's avatar

Greetings

A Christian concept of God? I didn't mention Christianity at all, my friend. The comparison is in your mind, because you interpret my words as "the Christian concept of heaven and God."

I'm not talking to you about religion, my friend. Religions distort everything, but if you think I'm talking to you about the Christian religion, then you haven't understood me or I haven't been able to express myself.

Conspirators? I don't understand you, please explain better.

And perhaps you should come to Spain, so you'll understand that we Spaniards understand the entire world well, because everyone passed through here and we went everywhere, even to China.

Your arguments don't diminish what I've said, because you don't explain much, and so I have to guess what you're saying.

Didn't you tell Frontier Man to leave the fortune-teller route? Well, I'll tell you the same thing... explain your reasons thoroughly, so I don't have to guess what you're saying.

Well, whatever, I don't want to argue with you.

If that's your opinion, fine, and No problem.

Mainland China? Are you writing to me from Taiwan, friend?

Greetings

Love from Spain

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Nakayama's avatar

I am sorry, but it seems that our understanding of Chinese History or our choice of vocabulary are not aligned. I don't see further discussion on this subject helpful.

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Hablando Limpio's avatar

Greetings.

I agree. I say pears and you talk about apples.

A pleasure to have a little conversation, thank you.

A hug from Spain, friend Nakayama

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Hablando Limpio's avatar

Greetings, friend Nakayama

Excuse me, I forgot to tell you that what you said is normal.

You say you've studied Chinese culture and that it doesn't agree with what I say about it...of course not!

You've studied orthodox, conventional, official history, but perhaps you're unaware that it's riddled with intentional lies, false interpretations, narrow-mindedness, and gross errors.

In schools and in the classic works of Chinese history you mention... is the Empire of Light mentioned? Is there any mention of what happened at that time with Huanlei and Upasika? Is anything said about Mars and its relationship with China? Does it explain why Easterners have eyes with these different characteristics than the rest? Is there any explanation for Krishna's or Buddha's relationship with China, and why it is in China that Buddhism mostly took root? Does that story you're talking about explain anything about God and the relationship between human beings and Him? Does it truly explain who Qin Shi Huang Di was, what he did, and why he did it?

Of course not. Therefore, on that basis, you won't understand anything I'm saying, because what I'm telling you is often antagonistic and contrary to the official version of history, which is falsified either by malicious intent or by ignorance and lack of knowledge, because within its narrow parameters, it can't conceive of anything higher or beyond. The story starts very badly, saying that we came from monkeys and that we were primitive, and all that caveman stuff, blah blah, blah, therefore, with that script, nothing can be understood about the film.

I have studied another, different, more logical and complete history, more understandable, which explains the what, the where, the how, the when, the why, the why, and who.

The history taught in schools and at work in general is nonsense, and nothing is understood. Its principles are flawed, attributing the true events and their causes to chance or a thousand imaginary circumstances.

The history of humanity is the history of the liberation of the human race, and any other interpretation is erroneous, confusing, and will never understand anything.

It is one of the most attacked things because whoever forgets their past is condemned to repeat it, and that is what the evil ones who rule the world want: to perpetuate their dominance by hiding the truth, both historically and in all fields of human knowledge.

Therefore, your vision does not coincide at all with mine. It is normal.

May peace be in your heart, friend Nakayama

Love from Spain

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